Stop thalidomide comedy!
Posted by Ivo Cerckel on September 22nd, 2009
Guv’mints want to have their cake and eat it too. It is about time they get out of the way.
Liverpool Thalidomide victim Gary Skyner goes on hunger strike for compensation
Liverpool News , Sep 22 2009
by Liza Williams, Liverpool Daily Post
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2009/09/22/liverpool-thalidomide-victim-gary-skyner-goes-on-hunger-strike-for-compensation-92534-24747475/
SNIPS
A MERSEYSIDE thalidomide victim has gone on hunger strike in protest at the Government’s refusal to pay compensation to those affected by the drug.
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The father-of-two said: “I am prepared to go all the way with this but we have been forgotten for too long, enough is enough.
“I was diagnosed with a cardiac complaint in April and will therefore most likely not have a normal life expectancy.
“If this process has to accelerated because of our cause, then so be it.
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“The Government need to take responsibility because they granted a UK licence for the drug.
UNSNIP
Ivo:
Any law book on product liability will tell you that thalidomide shows that and why we need product-liability laws.
Guv’mints are liable for thalidomide because their regulators allowed thalidomide on the market and when the whistle on thalidomide was blown at a Düsseldorf congress of neurologists on 30 April – 01 May 1960, those same regulators have not done anything.
Thalidomide was eventually taken from the market on 27 November 1961, by its maker, Chemie Grünenthal GmbH, and thus not by the regulators who had allowed it in the first place. Comprendo?
http://bphouse.com/honest_money/human-testing/
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Gary says that he has not a normal life expectancy and that if this process has to be accelerated because of our cause, then so be it.
Yes, our Masters continue to argue that thalidomide shows the need for a welfare state, c.q. a police state,
while at the same time continuing to refuse compensation for the damage thalidomide monsters like myself suffer as a result of the guv’mints’ intentional acts of letting thalidomide be marketed for more than 18 months after 01 May 1960.
It is about time that this comedy stops.
Potverdorie!
Ivo Cerckel
honestmoney@maktoob.com
http://twitter.com/ivocerckel/
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September 22nd, 2009 at 19:14
The Sunday Times reported on 13 September 2009 that documents have emerged which suggest that scientists led by a British professor had discovered a compound with an almost identical chemical formula to thalidomide in 1949.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6832320.ece
The British National Health Service (NHS) was created in 1948.
Is there a link?
The Times, not The Sunday Times, published this comment by this monster on
September 17, 2009 4:09 AM BST on UK-TimesOnline
UNDER
From The Times
September 17, 2009
Patients will be able to pick a GP anywhere in the country
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6837765.ece
September 23rd, 2009 at 16:20
What does guv’mint want?
Guv’mint needs thalidomide to justify or legitimate its welfare state, including its NHS.
But at the same time, guv’mint refuses to compensate thalidomide monsters for this need.
Guv’mint wants to have its cake and eat it too.
Viva l’Anarchia!
September 23rd, 2009 at 22:04
We’ll fight Lansley seat, say thalidomide victims
04 September 2009
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_home/displayarticle.asp?id=446408
SNIP
“I can’t possibly do that. I have every sympathy for their situation but we are talking about giving taxpayers’ money to people in circumstances where, if I were to make promises in opposition, I may find there are legal constraints.” [said Lansley] UNSNIP
Ivo:
Mr Andrew Lansley, shadow health secretary, please listen.
The question is not whether the future Tory guv’mint will have extracted enough money from the taxpayer to compensate our damage.
The questions are
(1) what damage do we suffer?
(2) who is responsible for this damage?
You are responsible for it.
If you cannot pay your debt, then your guv’mint should go out of business and leave this country.
Yes, I know, the money we would get comes from taxation and the difference between tax and theft is that the thief does not come back periodicalky, nor does the thief pretend to stealing in the public interest.
Well, if your guv’mint agrees with this argument, it should also go out of business and leave this country.
Ivo Cerckel
September 23rd, 2009 at 22:35
You see, the welfare state supersedes the rules of civil (and criminal) liability of guv’mint.
That’s why Mr Andrew Lansley, shadow health secretary, can say:
“I can’t possibly do that. I have every sympathy for their situation but we are talking about giving taxpayers’ money to people in circumstances where, if I were to make promises in opposition, I may find there are legal constraints.”
September 24th, 2009 at 08:24
And when will we be compensated for the difference in value between the life we would have had and the life of circus animal we have now?
Over the Atlantic, producers fear exorbitant jury verdicts in product-liability cases.
Could we not get a shyster lawyer from over there, to get an “exorbitant” judgment here for thalidomide monsters?
September 24th, 2009 at 09:25
Of course, if thalidomide was developed in the US of A (1), we could get a jury verdict there.
But that may not even be necessary.
In the old days, we were taught [Hi Peter, now in Essex apparently] that jurisdiction of US courts was dependent upon “minimum comtacts”. (2)
No more. (3)
So we could try …
Ivo
(1)
Thalidomide was definitely known in the year 1938 and [its] defects were noted in Phoenix, AZ (USA) in a medical journal that year. It was known as a cure for [Hansen]’s Disease and made by [Richardson]-Merrill Co. in [Cincinnati], OH (USA). I don’t know what action was taken, but a young female doctor named Frances Oldham Kersey (or Kelsey) recognized its dangers. Theodore, Princeton, WV/USA
(reaction under From The Times April 4, 2008 Thalidomide: 50 years on victims unite to seek more compensation Nigel Hawkes, Health Editor
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article3671815.ece
(2)
Americans [...] can only be taken to court in another US of A state if they “could reasonably expect to be haled into court” in that state, that is, if they have minimum contacts with that other state. (4)
For Saad Group to be taken to a US of A court by the Saudi Algosaibi conglomerate, no contacts are necessary
(SEC, Saad Group and minimum contacts – Update 1
Posted by Ivo Cerckel on July 25th, 2009
http://bphouse.com/honest_money/2009/07/25/sec-saad-min-contacts/
(3)
Anyone who has a US bank account to which money is sent by a third party, can, in cases concerning that money, be sued by that party in the US.
(More new ground broken in Saudi US conflict of laws
Posted by Ivo Cerckel on August 22nd, 2009
http://bphouse.com/honest_money/2009/08/22/more-new-ground-broken-in-saudi-us-conflict-of-laws/
September 24th, 2009 at 10:33
Here’s the latest.
So let’s sue Lansley, Cameron & Co in a US of A court.
Deutsche Bank, Gosaibi battle in NY court
Sep 23, 2009 at 17:49
http://business.maktoob.com/20090000375782/Deutsche_Bank_Gosaibi_battle_in_NY_court/Article.htm
SNIP
Deutsche Bank AG and a banking unit of Saudi Arabia’s Al-Gosaibi family battled in court on Wednesday over whether to throw out a $74.2 million claim by the German bank, part of a flurry of lawsuits involving billions of dollars and allegations of fraud.
Labour’s support in north collapses
By Jean Eaglesham, Chief Political Correspondent
Published: September 23 2009 23:59 | Last updated: September 23 2009 23:59
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b42a9246-a879-11de-9242-00144feabdc0.html
September 24th, 2009 at 11:16
More fun!
Fresh from the presh!
Kuwait’s ABK sues Saad in US court
Reuters
Thursday 24 September 2009 (05 Shawwal 1430)
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=6§ion=0&article=126700&d=24&m=9&y=2009
SNIP
NEW YORK: Al-Ahli Bank of Kuwait (ABK) sued Saudi Arabian conglomerate Saad and its billionaire owner Maan Al-Sanea for $125 million, alleging breach of contract and fraud over a credit agreement, according to court papers.
The lawsuit by Kuwait’s fourth-largest listed bank by market value in New York State Supreme Court accused Saad of breaking a $60 million credit facilities’ agreement in 2007 UNSNIP
We can also do that. We are no more thalidomide “babies”.
Now we are grown up monsters.
Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra?
(Cicero to Catilina: how long will you continue to abuse our patience?)
September 24th, 2009 at 14:25
Even in my native Belgium, which I left nine years ago due to lack of funds for the third world, things seem to be changing.
The country has still not recovered from the 1962 trial whereby the mother murderer of a thalidomide monster born in May 1962, that’s two years after the Düsseldorf warning, was acquitted. (1)
The Belgian guv’mint never set up something like the Thalidomide Trust, although it had committed itself to seeting up such a thing.
The nice thing about Belgium is that J. Custers, minister of health, said in 1962 that the guv’mint should have grasped [the Düsseldorf May 1960 warning] and that therefore the people of Belgium, not the guv’mint of Belgium, should leave Belgium (“n’a plus qu’à s’en aller”). (2)
Maybe now, I will get my first franc, euhr euro, of compensation. (3)
Ivo
NOTES
(1)
In 1962, a Belgian woman was found not guilty of murdering her thalidomide baby. There was much celebration in Liège when she and her co-accused – her mother, sister, husband and the family doctor – walked free.
(Thalidomide: 40 years on
Friday, 7 June, 2002, 14:43 GMT 15:43 UK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2031459.stm
(2)
Jérôme Janicki “Le drame de la thalidomide – Un médicament sans frontières – 1956-2009″, Paris, L’Harmattan, 2009., p. 166
(3)
Témoignage thalidomide : Les Monstres de Heidelberg
par Ivo Cerckel
mercredi 2 septembre 2009
http://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/temoignage-thalidomide-les-60989
September 24th, 2009 at 18:00
Like Catilina, I am conspiring against guv’mint.
Unlike Catilina, I am conspiring alone.
I am conspiring alone against guv’mints
because they let thalidomide on the market for more than 18 months after 1 May 1960
and because they let my medical-doctor father Henri Cerckel,
or Hendrik Cerckel since 18 months, when I (born 02.1962) learnt of the Düsseldorf congress and explained this on the internet,
getting away with administering thalidomide to my mother
(I was the first-born child – two of the three other children of parents have since then committed suicide (1986 and 2007), my mother also committed suicide (1977).
And then the Belgian guv’mint acquitted the murderers of a girl born three months after me.
Our Masters needed thalidomide to justify or legitimate their welfare state.
And then UK shadow health secretary Lansley is arguing that the rules of the same welfare state prevent compensation of the damage suffered by thalidomide monsters.
Is this a joke? Or just a bad dream? Or what?
September 24th, 2009 at 18:25
Of course.
it’s because they needed thalidomide for their welfare state,
that’s why our Masters let it on the market for 18 months after 1 May 1960.
September 25th, 2009 at 10:19
And then they argue that we need product-liability laws, just like in Pittsburg, the G20 is now conspiring to destroy everything.
The crisis is due to unbacked at least irredeemable paper money and fractional-reserve banking. (1)
But German chancellor Angela Merkel, who’s coming up for re-election or not this week-end in Germany, is arguing that market regulation is more important than the rebalancing of the economy. (2)
That’s what our Masters, who let thalidomide on the market for 18 months after the Düsseldorf 30 April -01 May 1960 warning, also said after thalidomide: ‘we, bureaucrats, need more regulation”.
At the end of the day, Merkel will have nothing to regulate.
From The Sunday Times
February 8, 2009
Thalidomide ‘was created by the NAZIS’
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683577.ece
For your consideration …
Ivo Cerckel
NOTES
(1)
http://bphouse.com/honest_money/worthless-digital-liquidity-and-fractional-reserve-banking-are-fraudulent-%e2%80%93-let-the-system-collapse-now/
(2)
TOPWRAP 10-US sees broad G20 support for its economic vision
TOPWRAP 5-Merkel to G20: regulation before rebalancing
Reuters
Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:47pm EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN24427327