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    German Conterganstiftung or thalidomide foundation is a fraud – UK guv’mint also

    Posted by Ivo Cerckel on September 4th, 2009

    All of a sudden, Grünenthal and the Stiftung agree to universally grant “Leistungen” only.

     

    Thalidomide was created by the Nazis. This means the German federal republic is liable for it. (1)

    Outside Ireland and a few other countries where Chemie Grünenthal GmbH, the manufacturer, sold the drug directly it has refused compensation, arguing it is the responsibility of the licence holders. (2)

    In Germany, the federal republic has instituted the Conterganstiftung on 19 December 1971. (3)

    By instituting that foundation, the federal republic said German thalidomide monsters could only file claims against the foundation, no longer against Grünenthal.

    On 01 July 2009, the German Bundestag or parliament denied that thalidomide was created by the Nazis. (4)

    Of course, if thalidomide was created by the Nazis, the guv’mint of the federal republic of Germany is liable. Did you expect the said republic to recognise its liability?

    It would appear that on the same 01 July 2009, the Bundestag also adopted its second revision of the law relating to the Conterganstiftung  (”Zweite Änderungsgesetz zum Conterganstiftungs- gezetz”).

    This revision allows non-German thalidomide monsters, of whom I am one (5), to claim “Leistungen”
    (”Leistungen”- I can’t find the correct translation – maybe “prestations” in French –
    “performances”, “achievements”, says Collins Pocket German Dictionary),
    from  … Grünenthal through the Conterganstiftung,
    although the said Stiftung was instituted to stop the filing of claims by German and Irish thalidomide monsters against Grünenthal.

    All of a sudden, the Conterganstiftung and Grünenthal are thus prepared to pay to non-Germans.

    BUT

    The claims which can be filed against Grünenthal, through the foundation, are only claims for “Leistungen”, not for compensation for the damage suffered.

    And if the claim is granted by the Stiftung (and paid by Grünenthal), the claimant has no more claim against …  Grünenthal.

    Against Grünenthal?
    Yes, to that effect, the claimant has to sign a “Verzichtserkläring”  (declaration of renunciation) to  … the foundation.

    But outside Ireland and a few other countries where Grünenthal sold the drug directly it has refused compensation, arguing it is the responsibility of the licence holders.

    If the Sunday Times reveals this autumn more details about thalidomide, the argument of Grünenthal’s lawyers will be that the submission, not only the granting, of this new application, will bar the claimant from invoking these newly revealed elements.

    And the “Leistungen” are only paid from the date of the 2009 application onwards. They are not about compensation of the damage, but only about the ability to remain alive.

    And when you file the application, you do not have only to prove your thalidomide monstrosity by submitting X-rays, but you have also to indicate in the “Hintergrundbericht” (background message) which brand of thalidomide your mother took. Perhaps, they also want the prescriptions, like they did in Spain (6)?

    And it is Grünenthal (or the Conterganstiftung – what is the relationship between them?) which unilaterally will determine the amount of the “Leistungen”.

    And then in the “Angaben zu Conterganschäden”, you have to indicate what damage you have suffered by thalidomide, but the medical profession is still so “terrified by” or “under the shock of” thalidomide that it does not dare to link anything to thalidomide.

    As I said, developing …

    Ivo Cerckel
    ivocerckel@siquijor.ws

    NOTES

    (1)
    From The Sunday Times
    February 8, 2009
    Thalidomide ‘was created by the Nazis’
    The damaging drug may have been developed as an antidote to nerve gas
    Daniel Foggo
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683577.ece

    (2)
    Thalidomide victims in new compensation call
    By Andrew Jack in London
    Financial Times April 3 2008 03:00 | Last updated: April 3 2008 03:00
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6c825e5c-0117-11dd-a0c5-000077b07658.html

    (3)
    http://www.conterganstiftung.de/stiftung/index.htm
    Die Conterganstiftung für behinderte Menschen
    wurde 1972 durch Bundesgesetz vom 19. Dezember 1971 (BGBl. I, S. 2018) zunächst unter dem

    (4)
    Datum: 01.07.2009
    heute im Bundestag – 01.07.2009
    http://www.bundestag.de/aktuell/hib/2009/2009_205/05.html
    SNIP
    Im Bundestag notiert: Contergan-Tabletten
    – Familie/Antwort
    Berlin: (hib/SKE) Die Bundesregierung geht nicht davon aus, dass der in den Contergan-Tabletten enthaltene Wirkstoff Thalidomid von den Nationalsozialisten entwickelt wurde. Das geht aus einer Antwort der Bundesregierung (16/13308) auf eine Kleine Anfrage der Fraktion Die Linke (16/13086) hervor. Nach Angaben der Firma Grünenthal, die Contergan herstellte, sei der Wirkstoff 1954 von der Firma entwickelt worden. Es gebe keinen Anlass, die Aussage zu bezweifeln.
    UNSNIP

    I REPEAT
    Es gebe keinen Anlass, die Aussage [that’s the staterment from Grünenthal] zu bezweifeln.
    There is no reason to put into doubt the statement of Grünenthal that it developed thalidomide itself from 1954 onwards.

    I REMIND ALSO
    If, as […] research suggests, thalidomide was first developed by scientists working in wartime Germany, it could have implications for the liability of the German government.
    (From The Sunday Times
    February 8, 2009
    Thalidomide ‘was created by the Nazis’
    The damaging drug may have been developed as an antidote to nerve gas
    Daniel Foggo
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683577.ece

    Of course, if Grünenthal’s statement is put into doubt by the Bundestag , the guv’mint of the federal republic of Germany is liable. Did you expect the said republic to recognise its liability?

    (5)
    I am a thalidomide monster myself. I didn’t yet yet receive any compensation. I thus did nothing wrong by asking the Conterganstiftung to send me the documents.

    (6)
    From The Sunday Times February 15, 2009
    Forced to beg: new scandal of thalidomide
    Thalidomide victims beg in Spain
    Daniel Foggo
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5734068.ece

    3 Responses to “German Conterganstiftung or thalidomide foundation is a fraud – UK guv’mint also”

    1. Ivo Cerckel Says:

      From The Sunday Times September 13, 2009
      Enoch Powell’s forgotten role in the Thalidomide disaster
      The Sunday Times’s battle with the Establishment to win justice for victims of the drug – and the minister’s resistance
      http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/book_extracts/article6832147.ece

      1 Comment
      Ivo Cerckel wrote:
      Our Masters needed thalidomide to justify or legitimate their Welfare State.
      September 13, 2009 8:32 AM BST

      From The Sunday Times September 13, 2009
      Thalidomide victim Gary Skyner to go on hunger strike
      Daniel Foggo http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6832320.ece
      SNIP
      Drug riddle
      SNIPS
      Documents have emerged which suggest that thalidomide might have been discovered by the British instead of the Germans.
      +
      In the patent, Antibioticos states that thalidomide was first synthesised in Britain in 1949 by a team led by Frederick King, a professor of chemistry at Nottingham University, who worked on secret projects during the war.

      2 Comments
      SNIP
      Ivo Cerckel wrote:
      Here, you have nailed it.

      On 08 February 2009, this newspaper said that if as […] research suggests, thalidomide was first developed by scientists working in wartime Germany, it could have implications for the liability of the German government. Now this newspaper says that documents show that scientists led by a British professor had discovered a compound with an almost identical chemical formula to thalidomide in 1949.

      As far as I remember from my experiences in the middle eighties at a British university, British professors are paid by the British taxpayer.

      Shall we agree that guv’mint is the problem?

      I am thalidomide monster but I’m not even recognised in Belgium, where I was born, because my father, a medical doctor, did it on purpose (1) which would have made him a suitable candidate for NHS, I suppose.

      Hence, my father was never prosecuted by guv’mint.

      Gary now wants money from guv’mint.

      However, all money Gary would get from guv’mint comes from taxation and the difference between tax and theft is that the thief does not come back periodicalky, nor does the thief pretend to stealing in the public interest.

      It is beyond me how British thalidomiders can argue that by parasiting on such stolen money, they would live in justice and dignity, as Cambridge News reported this week.

      Guv’mint is the problem. It cannot possibly be part of the solution.

      Ecraser les gouvernements. That is the solution. Go away! Leave us alone!

      Ivo

      (1)
      I was born 20 months after the Düsseldorf 30 April – 1 May 1960 congress of neurologists warning of the dangers of thalidomide.
      Thalidomide was taken from the market, not by the regulators who had allowed it in the first place, by its manufacturer on 27 November 1961.

      September 13, 2009 8:18 AM BST

    2. Ivo Cerckel Says:

      Die Conterganstiftung ist lächerlich und arglistig
      Posted by Ivo Cerckel on December 7th, 2009
      http://bphouse.com/honest_money/2009/12/07/die-conterganstiftung-ist-laecherlich-und-arglistig/

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